about the Trans-Am
- How many pairs of shoes did you go
through? 8 pairs - Some of them size 13 but most
were size 12
- Where were the prettiest stages? The
two days in the Colorado Rockies
- Where were the ugliest stages? Once
we got out of the California cities and into the Mojave.
We were basically on old Rt 66 - which is a blacktop road
with grass growing in the cracks. Nothing seems to be
- What was the hardest day? Stage
18 into Green River, UT. The scenery was spectacular but
I was hurting so much physically and mentally that I
decided to quit. First I prayed that the lightening
around me would strike me dead (really!) and then I
prayed for a sign. I did start to feel better later on
and decided to stick with it.
- What was the easiest day? Some
of the days the last weeks of the race when I was
"cruising" with the boys in a pack - IF no one
was pushing the pace.
- What was it like in the desert? The
heat was easier to deal with than I had thought because
the lack of humidity really does make a difference. At
first the scenery is sort of pretty, but it is vast and
you see the same stuff forever. Overall, it is sparsely
populated, lonely, and boring.
- What is your greatest satisfaction?
Knowing that I am the only person to do the AT and
- Did you lose weight? Overall,
no. There was one period where my weight was down but I
think it was due to dehydration. Although the weight was
the same, I was leaner. My body fat was around 6% before
I left and I am sure that number was less after the race.
- Approximately how many calories did
you eat per day? 5000-7000
- What did you eat when you were
running? I would usually take half a Power Bar at
8 miles and them eat candy or cookies every two miles. By
30 miles I might start eating cantaloupe or watermelon.
Ice cream was always good too. Toward the end, I would
also start eating some chips, pretzels, or cheese
curls-anything with salt.
- What and how much did you drink? On
average, I would drink a little over 2 gallons of
Conquest per day. Sometimes toward the end of the run I
would take plain water with me if it was really hot. And
sometimes I would try a little bit of diluted Mountain
- What did you eat for breakfast? I
always craved waffles but I ate cereal, coffee, and maybe
a donut if one was available.
- What would you do if you had to
answer the call of nature along the way? I didn't
wait for the next service station!
- What was your goal going into the
race? I wanted to win and set the record so that I
could add the Trans-Am to my AT record.
- When did you change your goal? Within
the first week I knew Dusan was faster and stronger than
me and that barring any catastrophes, he would be the
- How do you feel about the results?
I am pleased with the 3rd place overall
finish. I did break the previous Trans-Am record and I
did my very best. Others were just better than me.
- Was communication a problem with
people from all over the world? Actually, only two
of the runners spoke little or no English. Some of the
Moonbat people also had a problem with English. But for
the most part, communication was not too bad. They just
couldn't get my jokes!
- Where did you sleep? Hotels,
scenic overlooks, gyms, armories, rec centers, garages,
tents - Actually there were about 30 days of hotels -
some good and some bad.
- What was the worst place to sleep? Day
36 we stayed in a gymnasium. It was stifling hot with a
million flies all over the place. I opted to set up my
tent outside thinking it would be better. Unfortunately,
it was just as horrible! The R&R Hotel also gets some
votes for the worst place.
- What was the best place? State
Line, NV. This was a beautiful resort hotel.
- What was the hardest part of the
day? The morning was the worst because you knew
you would take a beating but you just did not know how
bad it would be.
- What was the financial cost of the
race? Someplace between $9,000 and $10,000
- Would you encourage others to do
this race? No. But if they did want to do it I
would make sure they knew how "unfun" this race
is. However, if someone really wants it bad enough, even
I wouldn't be able to stop them.
- What was your impression of this
race? Without a doubt, it is the longest and
toughest footrace in the world. Doing it is like carrying
out a jail sentence.
- Why did you do it? It became
one of my dreams in the 80's, thinking it would be a
great challenge and adventure. I was wrong. It was a long
and tough 64 day race - It was too hard to be an
- Would you do it again? NO!
- When did you run for the first time
after the race? I ran Sunday morning in NY with
Reid Lanham and Rebekah. We ran for one hour. Then, I ran
again on Monday. It was nice to run because I wanted to
and not because I had to.
- What about the organization of the
race? The directors did an outstanding job on the
things that were essential to the race: i.e. turn sheets,
course markings, and starting on time. The areas needing
improvement include, better publicity, spreading out the
hotels to give runners needed breaks, changing some of
the distances, and more attention to everyday logistics.
- Who was your best friend? Manfred
Leismann and I became great friends and I really enjoyed
kidding around with my "girlfriend" Eiko Endo.
However, the manager of the Moonbat crew, Mr. Otani was
one of those rare exceptional people. He was always
working, always selfless, always polite, and always a
gentleman. I consider it a great privilege to have gotten
to know him. He and I still correspond from time to time.
- What kind of things did you pick up
along the road? Whether I picked up things
depended on if I was racing or not. When I could, I
picked up money, hats, dog leashes, pens, flags, hard
hats, buckets, tools, knives, etc. But I probably left at
least $8.00 in change laying out there because I did not
feel like bending over to pick it up.
- What was the most special day or
days? Without a doubt, mail-drop days. I got many
cards and letters of encouragement and lots of food! I
liked Eric Clifton's envelopes the best. He is quite the
- What is Moonbat? It is a
huge Japanese company specializing in women's apparel,
furs, umbrellas, and household items. They do no business
in the US.
- How did you feel when you crossed
the finish line? I shed no tears. It was really
anti-climatic. But, I was really hungry!
- What was the most emotional part of
the last day? Watching Don and Ray start early at
4:17 am (so we would all get there about the same time)
and then when we crossed the George Washington Bridge. I
knew then I would make it!
- What was the most depressing thing
of the race? The short stage (32 miles) out of
Salina, UT. It was nearly all uphill, I could hardly run
because of injuries, and I kept getting passed by other
- Was the race what you expected? No.
It was harder.
- What injuries did you have? Tendonitis
of the right shin and left Achilles, swollen right ankle,
sore right knee, left hamstring, right calf, hips, and
back. The sunburned lips did not help much either.
- Why does the race end in NYC? That
is where the Bunion Derby ended in 1928 and that is where
it began in 1929.
- What do you think about Forest
Gump? I used to like him but now I don't. He makes
it look too easy. The running coast-to-coast is
- At the end of the race what did you
forward to the most? A normal life!
- What was the first thing you did
when you got home? Check out the tomatoes in the
- What time in the morning do you get
up each day? 3:55am
- What was the hardest state? Pennsylvania
- because of the frequency of the hills and the grade.
- Were all the days the same? I
never knew what day of the week it was except that
Saturdays were always short mileage days and Sunday's
were always long.
- What was your schedule for the day?
Get up, eat breakfast, run, finish, check the
times, head for the shower, find a phone to call
Trittipoes with results, have crew get me something to
eat while I iced my shins or whatever else hurt, massage
if available, sleep for 15-30 minutes, read, eat supper,
call Trittipoes with further race details, call home, get
organized for next day, sleep.
- Will you do another huge race like
this one? No. Maybe stage races of just 4-5 days
but nothing more.
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